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July 26, 2005

Saving The Round Table

The Nashville City Paper reports that the Teddy Bart’s Round Table public affairs radio show "might only be off the air temporarily."

That's because the board of directors of the not-for-profit organization The Public Forum, which owns the show, voted only to cancel the radio show to save money, not to shut down The Public Forum itself.

Chairman of the Board Ted Welch said Monday that the panel voted to cancel just the show and (Karlen) Evins and (Teddy) Bart have the "latitude to do whatever they want to do" with The Public Forum after the board resigns Aug. 15. That could mean the return, in some form, of the radio show if Bart and Evins can find methods to make the program financially stable.

"If (The Public Forum) is still mine, I will find work for (it) because there are far too many people interested in seeing something coming out of this," Evins said.

One of the high expenses that pushed the radio show into a financial deficit is the cost of overnighting copies of the video of the show to 42 public-access television stations across the state for broadcast.

I never thought airing the show on television a day later made much sense as listeners/viewers can't interact with the show the way Nashvillians can who listen to the show live on WAMB each morning. When the radio show is revived, they should cancel the television re-broadcast and instead focus on distributing the live audio to radio stations around the state, a much cheaper proposition and a way to extend the program's interactive public policy discussion forum statewide.

Additionally, The Public Forum should create daily audio reports based on each day's show, featuring short audio clips from the show, to distribute to radio news programs across the state, and "podcasts" of key parts of the show that people can download to their iPods and Mp3 players from the show's website.

And The Public Forum needs a blog.

Actually, it needs two blogs. The first blog should be a "show blog," which would provide a blog of the day's show, including audio clips, with a comments feature enabled so the audience can continue discussing the show throughout the day.

The second blog should be a group blog where most of the radio show's regular guests are provided a user name and login password so they can, if they chose, continue the day's discussion online, or discuss other public policy issues and news a la National Review's group blog The Corner.

Finally, as a way to really enhance its mission inexpensively, The Public Forum ought to launch a free blog service for state legislators. Wait, you say, Bill Hobbs already did that, with VolPols.com.

Yes I did. But I haven't had the time to really market the service to our state legislators, and although VolPols is designed to be scrupulously non-partisan, my own partisan profile may keep some Democratic state legislators from participating. I would be pleased to turn VolPols over to The Public Forum.

UPDATE: Donald Sensing's comment posted below is so on-target that I've elevated it to be a part of this post. Sensing writes:

I appeared on the show a handful of times beginning in February 2002. I told Karlen and Teddy then that they should start a blog for the show. I can tell you, though, that Karlen was openly, unabashedly contemptuous of both blogging and bloggers and definitely felt very threatened by blogging. Teddy was less overt but apparently equally scornful.

The two definitely come from an "old media" background and consider themselves journalists in the traditional sense. And like oldline media, they saw their radio show as a megaphone for themselves rather than a medium for multi-way communication. The show was modeled on the now-ancient send-receive mode: they send, we receive.

They shunned real-time interactivity with their audience. The only way they would take questions from listeners was via email which was carefully screened (censored) so that the only emails they read on the air were those supporting their views or rebutting their interlocutors' views.

Like all old media, Teddy and Karlen had a death grip on keeping the show and its content under their tight control. Maybe now they will realize that the audience is demanding signficant, if not near-equal input, in real time, into content.

Old media craves the soapbox. an essentially elitist, self-pedastaling position that dismisses the idea that the unwashed, comparitively unenlightened audience actually has anything to contribute other than their time and attention.

If The Public Forum is to revive and then survive, Teddy and Karlen will have to change the way they see their own roles and that of their guests. They must be much less thin-skinned and open to constructive criticism; that they aren't now is another sign of their "old media-ness." They will have to see that a new-media radio show, especially with 3-4 invited guests at roundtable, must be formatted to connect directly the guests with the audience in realtime bilateral conversation. That means de-centering themselves from the show itself, because make no mistake, they definitely see themselves as "stars" to be highlighted daily.

But new media is not about stars or personality. It is about ideas, what they mean and how they can be understood interactively. I am not at all confident that Teddy and Karlen can make that leap. More accurately, I am almost certain Karlen cannot or will not (same thing). Teddy probably can but whether he'll be willing remains to be seen.

Well said.

The Public Forum's name implies an interactive conversation in which participation is open to all. If Bart and Evins were to actually embrace that theme and recreat the Round Table radio show to incorporate the real-time multi-way no-filters interactivity of the blogosphere, it would thrive. Otherwise, if they manage to track down sufficient funding to revive the show, it will fall well short of its true potential.

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I appeared on the show a handful of times beginning in February 2002. I told Karlen and Teddy then that they should start a blog for the show. I can tell you, though, that Karlen was openly, unabashedly contemptuous of both blogging and bloggers and definitely felt very threatened by blogging. Teddy was less overt but apparently equally scornful.

The two definitely come from an "old media" background and consider themselves journalists in the traditional sense. And like oldline media, they saw their radio show as a megaphone for themselves rather than a medium for multi-way communication. The show was modeled on the now-ancient send-receive mode: they send, we receive.

The shunned realtime interactivity with their audience. The only way they would take questions from listeners was via email which was carefully screened (censored) so that the only emails they read on the air were those supporting their views or rebutting their interlocutors' views.

Like all old media, Teddy and Karlen had a death grip on keeping the show and its content under their tight control. Maybe now they will realize that the audience is demanding signficant, if not near-equal input, in real time, into content.

Old media craves the soapbox. an essentially elitist, self-pedastaling position that dismisses the idea that the unwashed, comparitively unenlightened audience actually has anything to contribute other than their time and attention.

If The Public Forum is to revive and then survive, Teddy and Karlen will have to change the way they see their own roles and that of their guests. They must be much less thin-skinned and open to constructive criticism; that they aren't now is another sign of their "old media-ness." They will have to see that a new-media radio show, especially with 3-4 invited guests at roundtable, must be formatted to connect directly the guests with the audience in realtime bilateral conversation. That means de-centering themselves from the show itself, because make no mistake, they definitely see themselves as "stars" to be highlighted daily.

But new media is not about stars or personality. It is about ideas, what they mean and how they can be understood interactively. I am not at all confident that Teddy and Karlen can make that leap. More accurately, I am almost certain Karlen cannot or will not (same thing). Teddy probably can but whether he'll be willing remains to be seen.

Posted by: Donald Sensing at July 26, 2005 02:19 PM

I've only been listening to the show for about a year, but I am a regular listener. I've always heard e-mails from both the right and left read on air. I've also heard both Bart and Evins reference blogs and bloggers in a positive light on the show. In fact, it's one of the few places outside of cyberspace that regularly discussed what TN bloggers were talking about.

As I listened, I never felt like Bart or Evins were using the show as a "megaphone" to push their ideology. I have no idea where Bart is politically. Evins leans a bit to the left, but as fars using the show as a "soap box" the only issue I've heard her regularly talk about is ethics reform. I don't consider that a partisan issue.

It's almost as if the Teddy Bart's Roundtable I listened to daily and the one described by Mr. Sensing are in alternate universes.

I hope the show will be revived at some point. They may not have had a blog, but it was the only place to go where you could get civil political discussion with both sides on every issue represented.

"Lord willing," we'll hear the Roundtable on the air again soon

Posted by: Jay at July 26, 2005 03:01 PM

Sensing was on the show a couple times and they pulled the old "you can't really trust bloggers because they aren't fact-checked and don't have editors" schtick that the MSM often trots out even though the blogosphere is actually more heavily fact-checked and more prone to correct errors than the MSM.

Sensing blogged about his experience on the show.

Posted by: Bill Hobbs at July 26, 2005 04:24 PM

They were good to me and seemed very pro bloging.

The rep

Posted by: at July 26, 2005 05:54 PM

I haven't heard the show in a long time - for some reason the signal of the local station that carries it is dead in my house. If they've become more open to what blogs are doing, then I stand corrected. But my basic comment stands that expecting any audience today to remain in a basically receive-only mode will not work, certainly not for a local-issues show.

Posted by: Donald Sensing at July 27, 2005 05:32 AM

I believe that both Teddy and Karlen have evolved their opinions on Blogging.
When Mr. Sensing made his appearences on the panel, they were skeptical and wary of the new medium of unfiltered information and opinion.
They have since, maybe as a direct result of Mr. Sensing's discourse, come around to airing positive views and often site Blogs as points of reference for their statements.
They have grown into using this newest of information outlets, like many of their listners.
Another excellent example of the Forum's primary purpose of the education of its listners which also includes it's host.

Posted by: Truman Bean at July 27, 2005 06:20 AM

If the Roundtable people would produce a show that could get an audience and make it in the free market, they wouldn't have the troubles they have now. Therein lies the problem.

Posted by: Reason at July 27, 2005 02:32 PM

Reason, the Roundtable is a not-for-profit public service to our community. The point wasn't about getting ratings, it was about providing a medium for the discussion of public affairs.

The Roundtable could have been the most popular show in town and still had budget troubles because the show's costs are totally funded by contributions to the Public Forum. It looks like the reason there was a budget shortfall is because the loyal listeners the show has didn't know there was a problem.

Those loyal listeners now appear to be rallying to try and revive the show at some point in the future.

Unfortunately, Reason is right that the Roundtable probably couldn't survive in the free market, much like C-SPAN probably couldn't survive either. Both are important public services that don't cost the taxpayer a dime though.

Posted by: Jay at July 27, 2005 03:30 PM

The Roundtable became a "public service" only after the show was unable to attract advertisers. I have worked in radio for a long time, and know all about the show's bouncing from station to station.

If it were the most popular show in town, it could attract advertisers and be viable commercially. And they wouldn't have any trouble paying the inflated salaries of the talent.

Posted by: Reason at July 27, 2005 04:58 PM

I remember the show that Mr. Sensing was the guest and I took great offense at Karlen's attitude toward blogs. She left the impression that only a reporter for some big name outlet was informed enough to engage in conversation. I too feel that she was less obstinate about blogs in the last year.

The show always angered me in this way. They would only reference the New York Times, Meet the Press, or one of the alphabet news channels. Anything outside of that elite circle was frowned on as untrustworthy and mere hearsay.

Teddy is very good at one-on-one interviews. I grew up watching him do this on the Noon Show and Teddy Bart's Nashville. He said himself that he doesn't really fit the modern issues oriented programming. I wish him the best and hope that his is not a case of growing too old to fit the modern world.

Posted by: Nash63 at August 1, 2005 08:04 PM
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