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« The Prop | Main | Bubba Blab » June 22, 2005Turban Durbin Half-Apologizes AgainThe No. 2 Democrat in the U.S. Senate has apologized again, for comparing American troops at Guantanamo Bay to Nazis. Sort of. UPDATE: GeoBandy fisks Durbin's not-really-an-apology: "Dick’s not the least bit sorry for, or apologetic about, what he said. He’s just sorry so many people didn't like it." Posted in War on Terror
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Once again Doofus Durbin has said he is sorry that some people misunderstood what he meant by his comparisons. He has yet to admit his analogies were flat out wrong. Posted by: John Galt at June 22, 2005 09:15 AMWhy is it necessary to hold them at Guantanamo rather than at, say, Brushy Mountain? Also, assuming that Guantanamo is a highly secure location, why is there a need to send prisoners to other countries? Am I missing something? Bill, not along ago you claimed to have never appealed to the bigotry of others on this blog. Referring to someone as "Turban Durbin" is an ignorant, misinformed slur that equates any person who wears a turban to our enemies (I presume you mean Islamic terrorists). First of all, not all turban wearers are Islamic or Arab. Second of all, there are many loyal, patriotic Americans who happen to wear turbans. Just because Osama Bin Laden and other terrorists don turbans does not make it right to label anyone with whom you disagree as "Turban." How ironic is it that you (and other whining conservatives) are attacking Senator Durbin incessantly while you engage in much more shameful rhetoric yourself? If anyone should apologize, it is you. Posted by: TomJ at June 22, 2005 02:51 PMLet me get this straight: You think complaints about Durbin's slanderous comments comparing the American military to Nazis and worse are "incessant whining," but a rhyming Durbin's last name with the headgear often worn by the leaders of our enemy merits an apology? I'm speechless. Not really. The use of the word was a simple device to smoke out Durbin apologists from the Left who - like you - are quicker to condemn a silly joke than to condemn the very real and very damaging slander that Durbin uttered. Unlike Durbin's words, mine won't be rebroadcast incessantly on al-Jazeera to the delight and encouragement of our enemy in this global military and ideological struggle against - yes - ISLAMIST wacko fundamentalism, jihad and terrorism. But if "Turban Durbin" so offends you, I'll not use it anymore to refer to him. I'll just call him al-Durbin from now on. Posted by: Bill Hobbs at June 22, 2005 03:11 PMInitially the rationale was to avoid the "combatants"' detention on American soil from "triggering" rights under the U.S. Constitution provided to persons on U.S. soil. The S. Ct. has since held that they are entitled to "certain" rights, however. Posted by: PowerTee at June 22, 2005 09:50 PMBill - If our enemies are indeed delighted and encouraged by Durbin's remarks, why in the world would you draw more attention to them? If you really believe that is true, then you are purposefully amplifying the problem. Durbin didn't compare the American troops to Nazis, as you say he did. He compared the description given by the FBI of interrogation techniques used by the American troops to the public perception of the conditions at a Nazi camp or Soviet gulag. If someone thought that the American troops were like the Nazi troops, that person would not be shocked or surprised that the behavior of one is similar to that of another. The similarity would be unremarkable. If on the other hand, someone thought that the American troops were not the same as the Nazi troops, but were better, one would then be challenged or surprised by the similar descriptions of the behaviors of these two. Durbin, like any electable politician, knows full well that using the word Nazi in any political context is shocking. He uses shocking rhetoric because he is himself shocked because the behavior of Americans (who he believes to not be the same as Nazis) was described in a way that is similar to descriptions of the behavior of Nazis. He hasn't said anything slanderous, because he hasn't said anything untrue. Posted by: Kevin Newman at June 22, 2005 10:36 PMHere is a quote from Harry Reid just hours before Durbin's fake apology. "The statements made by Senator Durbin speak for themselves. I stand by the statement he made," he said. "We are not going to discuss this any more." Why isn't anyone calling for Reid's fake apology? So many people starting to spread out from The City Paper's comments section. Is Loner getting to be too much for you? Posted by: smantix at June 23, 2005 08:15 AMThis is a serious question for Kevin: why then did Durbin apologize and cry on the Senate floor? Posted by: Lance at June 23, 2005 08:25 AMHe hasn't said anything untrue? Prisoners in gulags often expired walking there in horrid conditions. Concentration camps worked the poor souls there then gassed them. I don't see anything like that at gitmo...nor will any of us. What Durbin said is patently untrue. Mayor Daley sees it, why can't anyone else? I also find it humorous that all the righteous gitmo bashers haven't complained about the real Gulags on Castro's side of the island. Based on USA today's poll yesterday, a clear majority of the populace has NO problem detaining those dregs. If those on the left think that the "Rights for Terrorists" platform will resonate with the voters, then by all means pray continue. Posted by: Drake at June 23, 2005 08:27 AMIf believing in "Rights for Humans" makes me a leftist, then that is a label I will accept. Lance - I believe that he apologised because he is a politician who was being attacked. He didn't apologise for the sentiment of the comment, and many have said that his was a false apology. He didn't say what many of his detractors have accused him of saying. If I heard that Lance had tortured someone, I would be shocked. Most Americans still don't think that torture is an American value, so they don't expect descriptions of torture to come from American-run facilities. Posted by: Kevin Newman at June 23, 2005 03:18 PMPost a comment
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