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June 20, 2005

Cross Purposes

Glen Dean wonders why a couple of local liberal bloggers decided to insult Christians on their blogs.

The Southern Baptist Convention is this weekend. As expected, liberal bloggers have commented about the nation's largest Protestant denomination. Sharon's blog has posted about the convention, and so has S-town Mike. I really don't understand why liberal Democrats think that insulting evangelical Christians is going to further the Democratic agenda. Also, since liberals are always teaching tolerance, why can't they tolerate a group of Christians who actually believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God? It is really sad to see the hatred that liberals have for Christians that they don't agree with. Because I know my church to be something different than some perceive it to be, I would like to personally invite everyone in this area to Brentwood Baptist Church on Sunday. I promise you that you will not walk out of that auditorium with the same opinion of us awful Southern Baptists as you came in there with.
Read the whole thing.

Insulting conservative Christians is not a rare occurence on liberal blogs, even though it seems like a bad strategy for winning elections in the red states.

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Comments

You take what Glen said out of context. Without reading the responses, it's misleading.
I NEVER bash Christians. I don't want ANYONE coming on my property without calling first.
Furthermore, as a Jew, I find it totally offensive that Baptists would even consider knocking on doors on the Sabbath. You don't hear anyone talking about how disrespectful this entire thing was to Jews. That's right. We're in the South where Jews don't count other than for Baptists to knock on our doors and tell us we're going to hell.
I'm just saying...there's more than just one side to this issue.
What no one mentioned is my constant mentioning of how evangelicals tend to support us and Israel, and how I enjoy a good relationship with many of them.
Anyhow, please paint the whole picture.
Shalom,
Sharon

Posted by: Sharon at June 20, 2005 03:50 PM

Uh-oh. "Local liberal blogger." How can you label me if you never bother to read my blog? Anyhow, I doubt very seriously that with my modest blog with its small readership insults very many Christians. But if it does, I doubt that it insults Christians in general. I am a Christian, after all.

Posted by: S-townMike at June 20, 2005 04:44 PM

Thanks Bill.
Sharon, didn't you just essentially say that you will not TOLERATE these Southern Baptists knocking on your door? I think you pretty much did. This kind of stuff really isn't nothing new. Many Democrats scoff at religious people on a regular basis. Bill Maher, Al Franken, Michael Moore all say what Democrats really think about conservative Christians.

Posted by: Glen Dean at June 20, 2005 04:46 PM

"Insulting conservative Christians is not a rare occurence on liberal blogs, even though it seems like a bad strategy for winning elections ..."

I'd like to think that being a Christian means much more than serving as a tool for someone else's strategy for winning an election. But that's just me.

Posted by: S-townMike at June 20, 2005 04:49 PM

Attacks on Christians are nothing new, and it's helpful that we understand the door swings both ways. The Evangelicals think the Ecumenical Church is deceived, because many blindly support liberal issues such as homosexuality and women's rights. They, on the other hand, think Evangelicals are deceived, because many blindly support conservative issues like abortion and the war. Each believes the other is trying to force its morality on everybody else.

The truth? We have more in common that different.

But that doesn't make for good headlines.

Posted by: Terry Heaton at June 20, 2005 05:59 PM

I'm a Democrat and a Christian. I disagree with most everything you say and think, Bill, but I still love you and I know that God is taking care of all of us, and not picking and choosing.

Posted by: aew at June 20, 2005 07:10 PM

"...a couple of local liberal bloggers decided to insult Christians on their blogs."

Who was it who recently wrote that a primary difference between liberals and conservatives is that the latter lives by the idea, "Words will never harm me"?

Posted by: at June 20, 2005 07:36 PM

Terry, you are right. We do have a lot more in common than we think, and if we would spend a little time with each other, we might figure that out.

Posted by: Glen Dean at June 20, 2005 08:12 PM

Since when is "knocking on a door" a cause for hysterics? Doors are made to be knocked on. Now, if someone knocked down your door, you might have a point. It is up to you to advise someone to not knock on your front door; use a Do Not Disturb sign if it disturbs you so much.

Posted by: Brian at June 21, 2005 08:40 AM

See Kevin Barbariex's (sp?) pics of the Convention here.

Posted by: S-townMike at June 21, 2005 12:00 PM

It's funny that Conservatives complain about the insults they recieve from Liberals, all the while being pretty liberal with their own insults of Liberals.

Glen Dean is perpetually insulting Liberals, as does most every Conservative Nashville Blogger. But, when Liberals insult Conservatives, the Conservative bloggers turn it into headline news, and use the occasion to voice their outrage. I think their outrage stems from Liberals using a tactic the Conseratives thought they owned.

There are a lot of reasons to take issue with the practices of the SBC - and if raising those issues is insulting to them then they need to take these issues into consideration. Of course they won't because they never really believe themselves to ever make mistakes concerning God, or much of anything else. It really isn't surprising that the membership of the SBC is declining.

I am a Liberal, and I am also a Christian. As a matter of fact, most Liberals are Christian. Jesus was a Liberal. Amazing, isn't it?

Posted by: Kevin at June 21, 2005 08:02 PM

Wow, I just read Sharons and StownMikes blogs and there were no insults to Christians there. Now MY post could have been construed as insulting, depending on how uptight you get about God. And you didn't even mention mine.

Posted by: Kevin at June 21, 2005 08:16 PM

Jesus was a liberal? I find nothing in the Bible to indicate he favored the Democratic Party.

Jesus was, however, a liberator willing to lay down his life to liberate mankind from the ultimate oppression. His example lives on in what America's finest young men and women are doing in Iraq to complete the liberation of some 25 million people from tyranny.

Posted by: Bill Hobbs at June 21, 2005 08:32 PM

Incredible Bill, just incredible. As intelligent as you are, your politics blind you. I didn't say that Jesus was was a Democrat, but you tried to make it look like that's what I said.

AND, there's A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE between what Jesus did and what our troops are doing - namely, Jesus never killed people to liberate people. And your analogy is dangerously close to herecy. You may want to check yourself, and read the Bible before you go any further.

Posted by: Kevin at June 21, 2005 08:48 PM

Kevin, you wrote the following:

I am a Liberal, and I am also a Christian. As a matter of fact, most Liberals are Christian. Jesus was a Liberal.

And you wrote it in a longer comment that was filled with references to modern-day politics. In essence, you declared Jesus to be politically aligned with you. I happen to believe that Jesus was a-political.

And I never said Jesus killed to liberate. I said Jesus laid down his life to liberate. And while Jesus didn't kill, God often sent the Israelites to war, so you can't make the argument that war and the killing in it is always evil or wrong.

As they say in Texas, "some folks just need killin'."

Posted by: Bill Hobbs at June 22, 2005 06:14 AM

Bill,
Jesus was anything but a-political. He stood in direct opposition of the political leaders of his day. Besides, "politics" is just the word used to describe the interactions between people in a social setting. Every social exercise is politics. No one can avoid being political.

Yes, Old Testament stories show God approved of war. But, all that changed with the advent of Jesus the Christ.

Jesus said, "Blessed are the Peacemakers."

Jesus said, "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."

Jesus said, "the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."

Elsewhere in the New Testament it says, "Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.

"Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary:
"If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."


Our soldiers are going into battle trying to kill people in order to keep from being killed. That is NOT an act of "laying down one's life". The comparison between Jesus and our soldiers is beyond ridiculous. God promises to protect the righteous. We only go to war because we do not have Faith in God's promise of protection, or because deep down we really don't believe ourselves to be righteous.

Killing one's enemies is evil.


Posted by: Kevin at June 22, 2005 10:31 AM

Lots of reasons Democrats rant against Christians. It's that Christians are trying to destroy the Democrats main sources of political power: poverty, ignorance, and an inability to pray effectively.

The current wealth of the US is causing them problems. They want to stop that through high taxes, bad costly schools, and a lack of spirituality.

Posted by: Huggy at June 22, 2005 01:00 PM

Huggy,
Your assessment of Democrats is incorrect.

Posted by: Kevin at June 22, 2005 01:56 PM

So Kevin, do you think that only unbelievers need police forces, since God will protect the righteous?

Posted by: Eric R. Ashley at June 22, 2005 11:47 PM
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