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December 7, 2004

RIP

Billionaire Jay Van Andel, co-founder of the controversial Amway - which spawned the direct-sales industry niche known as network marketing now used by dozens of companies to sell a variety of products via networks of customers who also serve as independent marketing reps in exchange for a share of the profits - died today at his home near Grand Rapids, Michigan, at the age of 80. Van Andel was a major philanthropist in the Grand Rapids area and a major donor to conservative political causes and the Republican Party.

Van Andel's resume reflected his conservative business and social philosophies. He chaired the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and was a trustee of the Heritage Foundation, Hudson Institute, Hillsdale College and the Advisory Council for American Private Education. The Family Owned Business Institute, on Grand Valley State University's downtown Grand Rapids campus, was founded in part with $301,000 raised in a 1999 tribute to Van Andel and DeVos. A member of MENSA, Van Andel founded the nonprofit Van Andel Institute, comprising two facilities dedicated to medical research and the educational process. He spent $60 million to build its headquarters in Grand Rapids, covered its annual budget and planned to pledge most of his taxable estate to it.
Van Andel's life story is a quintessentially American story of up-by-the-bootstraps entrepreneurialism.

UPDATE: This post prompted a discussion in the comments about whether the Amway business is legit or a scam. My take on it is, network marketing is a legitimate and smart way to market products if you offer good value (value being a combination of quality and price), but that the Amway business (which, in North America, morphed into an online business renamed "Quixtar" a few years ago) has been corrupted not by the corporation but by a few of the big distributors who found they could make more money by selling their "downline" distributors motivational tapes and tickets to motivational seminars. While many big corporations offer training and motivational programs for their sales reps, there are problems with the way it works in the A/Q business as I see it. The motivational tapes and seminars offered in the A/Q business promote ... buying more motivational tapes and seminar tickets.

The A/Q corporation has seemingly done little to stop the offenders, and so they are complicit in the abuses.

Spurred on by Van Andel's death, I ran a Google search and ran across a few blogs that do a good job exposing the abuses by the big independent reps. Quixtar Blog is a good starting place. It had very interesting post about how Quixtar is using a web of faux blogs and other online PR efforts including "Google-bombing" to counter the impact of websites and blogs critical of the company and its practices - in short, to boost the Google search results rankings of pro-A/Q sites.

Another is LawBlawg. Just click and scroll and read this post for sure. And FormerDiamond is a blog by a former A/Q distributor who actually made big money - but now is an A/Q critic and whistleblower.

The abuses by the A/Q distributors tend to color any discussion about network marketing itself. My analysis of network marketing as a business concept is that it has some strong points to recommend it. Network marketing is built around word-of-mouth advertising, which is generally accepted as the most powerful form of marketing. If you buy a new sweater, and a co-worker compliments it and says "where did you get it?" and you say "Nordstroms.com," and they go online and order one, you have engaged in network marketing. You just have not been paid for it.

Network marketing companies simply are paying their customers to refer their products or services to new customers.

Last week I called a national lawn care service to set up that service for my yard. I mentioned that I was referred by my neighbor - he'll get a one-time credit on his bill for the referral. That's a form of network marketing. If that lawn care service were to offer its customers an ongoing 5% commission on all future purchases by new customers they refer, it would be employing network marketing to even greater effect.

Amazon.com's affiliate program - whereby websites such as this one can post a link to Amazon.com and even to specific products and get a commission if those links generate business for Amazon - is a good example of network marketing. Amazon, in effect, has more than 900,000 independent sales reps that it pays if they generate a sale. (Amazon's compensation plan is single-level - I can't make money off your sales if I recruit you to become an Amazon affiliate. Don't confuse the terms "network marketing" and "multi-level marketing" as they are different. Network marketing refers to the use of word-of-mouth and relational networks to market products, MLM refers to the multi-tiered compensation plans in which sales reps can earn profits off the sales of other sales reps they recruit. Amazon.com is not an MLM, nor it is a network-marketing company - it is an online retailer that promotes via a variety of methods including its affiliate program, which takes advantage of network-marketing.)

The best part about network marketing is that the company only pays for it if it works. Network marketing companies only pay their independent sales reps after products are sold, rather than spend money on TV or print ads and hope that the adds drive business. Various network marketing companies offer various compensation plans, some better than other. Structured right, such compensation plans can allow an independent sales rep a chance to build a sustainable business - while allowing the company to maximize its marketing effectiveness.

If I was starting a company to produce and sell a repeat-consumable product (something a consumer buys, uses up and purchases again like, say, shampoo), I'd seriously consider marketing the product via network marketing, though with a few important features. The products would be sold online and shipped direct to the end-consumer, and made available to customers who were not sales reps at the same price as that paid by the sales reps. There would be no cost to become a sales rep. All training and training materials would be made available online for free, and reps would be charged only at-cost for such things as product brochures (or they would be permitted to download the files and have them printed locally).

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Comments

If he's the one responsible for all those annoying, relentlessly pestering, brainwashed freaks harrassing me to join their ridiculous get-rich-quick cult, then I can't say I'm sad that he's gone. I've known a hundred people who have joined Amway, believing they'll make the fortunes their recruiters promised them and retire young, and I have yet to see a single one of them make any appreciable amount of money at it. Amway is a scam that succeeds primarily by deceiving gullible, vulnerable people when they're down. Not only does it waste their time and money, which could be spent in pursuit of legitimate employment or entreprenureal endeavours, but it quite often destroys friendships via the endless harrassment it encourages. I say good riddance.

Posted by: dave at December 7, 2004 07:43 PM

I too have known people involved in the Amway business and I believe you are confusing the Amway business opportunity with the corrupted version of it as practiced by some of the "big" distributors, who have stopped selling products and started selling "the dream" of success and also started selling a "training system" that is the main source of their profits. I've listened to a few of those training programs - their primary message is one of perpetuating the subscribing to and selling of the training system.

Posted by: Bill at December 7, 2004 09:42 PM

P.S. None of them made big $ selling the system or the "dream" either, and every last one of them dropped out. Though my sister makes good four-figure-monthly money selling Arbonne products. In that network-marketing biz, the focus is on selling products and turning loyal customers into sales reps, not on selling a "dream" or selling a perpetual training program.

Posted by: Bill at December 7, 2004 09:44 PM

Well, there's little confusion to be made. Amway has repeatedly refused to stop the offenders, mainly because their business depends on those offenders.

Their business is dying, anyway. Revenue dropped sharply throughout the 90's (and presumably since then) as people caught on and quit buying the stuff.

MLM was a great way to quickly build a sales force, but the problems with it are numerous and well-known. It's not a sustainable way (long-term) to run a business. Ultimately, the Devoss and Van Andel families were the only ones who made money at it.

Posted by: Michael Chaney at December 8, 2004 09:07 AM

Stories re Van Andel's death note that the company's sales were up sharply last year, thanks to strong growth in India and China.

Michael, you're right that the company has done little to stop the offenders, and so they are complicit in the problems.

I ran a Google search and ran across a blog about Amway's online business, "Quixtar," and the problems associated with it vis a vis the abuses by the big independent reps. It had a very interesting post about how Quixtar is using a web of faux blogs and other online PR efforts to counter the impact of websites and blogs critical of the company and its practices.

Posted by: Bill at December 8, 2004 10:08 AM

I did a lot of commenting on Amway a few years back on the nashville.general newsgroup; those interested may look there for more comments.

Their revenue was off quite a bit. I can believe readily that opening in India and China has boosted them, but it mostly has just slowed the slide. Realize that those two countries together represent 1/3 of the world population, and nearly 10 times the US population.

But when they moved into India, the signup fee was something like 1 month's income for a local. And of course they were getting the same sales pitch about getting rich. There was a newspaper editor there who was exposing it at the time, find some of his writings for another look at it.

Anyway, Amway has been dishonest about their income since 1963, when they stopped giving out actual revenue figures and began using "estimated retail" figures.

I could go on and on, but there's no need. I haven't looked at them in years, and Bill's links here will provide anyone interested with more information than they could use.

Posted by: Michael Chaney at December 8, 2004 06:34 PM

Howdy Bill,

Saw your comments at QuixtarBlog..he runs a section called QuixtarChatter that referenced your above post.

I'm an IBO that gave up on tools and motivational materials. I feel that training should be free, and profit is the BEST motivator.

I think if we as IBOs duplicated Jay Van Andel's work ethic and Rich DeVos's sales ethic once again, then Amway and Quixtar would overcome these other IBOs that have distorted the opportunity.

I'm not quitting, my desire is to "change from within"

BTW, FormerDiamond is a good blog about his experiences in the "tools system", but he now runs a competing MLM company.

I like your idea of what YOUR MLM company would be like, and I use a good many of your ideas.

This is my first visit to your site, I'll look around if you don't mind. : )

Posted by: David Robison at December 11, 2004 07:14 PM
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