Democrats have been committed fraud. Submitting fraudelent voter registration is a felony.

republicans in several states have been accused of not submitting valid registrations to election commissions. In most states when you publicly register people to vote you must submit all voter registration forms that were properly filled out. To fail to do so is a crime.A fradulent voter registration form is evidence of fraud. The republicans are accused of tearing up valid forms filled out by democrats. Questions we have valid forms filled out by democrats that have been tore up. Not that I know of. Do we a witness or witnesses that show valid forms tore up. We have a witness or witnesses, but what does that prove. The witness could be lying or more likely this occured. Everytime I ever registered people to form things would occur that would invalidate that application. Coke would be spilled on it. The applicant would put his name on the address line or street address on the city line. Or someone put his old address down instead of his new address. Or they get in a hurry and leave with the form half filled out. These forms were invalid and had to be torn out and not submitted. I did not like to tear these forms up in public as people could draw bad conclusions about we were doing. Back at HQ we would tear up the spoiled or incomplete forms.

Now if this group registered 17,000 in Nevada they may have had thousands of spoiled forms. They had to torn up. Is that the witnesses saw? Maybe. In American one is innocent until proven guilty. There is no proof that the republicans even committed a crime.

The democrats crimes on sitting in election commission offices in twenty states or more.

Yes...of course...Republicans never do anything illegal in this country. It's all the democrats.

Intentionally submitting false voter registrations is clearly illegal. If this story is as clear cut (there has been no prosecution yet), is it really any better than republicans "fixing" absentee Florida ballots in 2000? (http://www.campaignwatch.org/update.htm)

Let's please get off our ethical soap box here and admit there are always rogue elements in both parties that attempt to pull this crap. Let's make sure it gets investigated and prosecuted regardless of who is doing it.

I can see your point John; however, the track record shows that one party has been overtly attempting this practice for several years. (hint: it isn't the Republican party). I checked out the site in your link; do you have any other sources? That one is kind of hard to believe seeing that the front page is essentially a campaign flyer for kerry. To tell you the truth, I was kind of shocked not to see the 9-11 conspiracy theories sharing the same space *L*

Mayor Tom Barett(Democrat-Milwaukee) has requested 938,000 ballots. Barett is also chairman of Kerry's Wisconsin campaign. There are 382,000 registered voters. That leaves 556,000 ballots IF every registered voter votes. What do you suppose the extra 600 thousand or more ballots will be used for? Fraud is rampant in Wisconsin. Milwaukee election officials have already been caught doctoring registration forms(with no reprisals). If Barett is allowed all these extra ballots - Bush is toast in Wisconsin. Check this scenario out.

Both parties at various times have been guilty of manipulating the voting registration process and of outright voter fraud. I don't think any authoratative source has ever said, "the Democrats do this more" or "the Republicans do this more." To make either claim without substantial evidence is mere mudslinging.

From that perspective, this whole site (www.billhobbs.com) and the author's focus on voter fraud can easily be dismissed as simple partisan politics. Mr. Hobbs shouldn't pretend to be compiling an exhaustive catalog of voting irregularities. He is simply picking the ones that make one side look bad. Which is fine--just be honest about it.

John Carter,

Quite a number of points in your post are based on Democratic Party talking points, instead of actual facts.

First, the Seminole County and Martin County (Florida) cases involved absentee ballot REQUESTS, not ballots. Further, all the requests were from people who were already registered to vote, because the information that was added was their Voter ID Numbers, which appear on voter registration cards. The reason that the ballot requests did not have this information is because the requests were improperly printed; there was no entry for VIN's on the requests. The elections supervisors in those two counties allowed Republican volunteers to enter the numbers on the forms after the error was discovered.

You will next bring up the fact that the Democrats were not afforded the same opportunity. Well, that is true, but they did not ask for such an action. Their forms were not improperly printed, so there was no need for them to fill in the required information.

The site you provided a URL for is not a raliable source; most of the links (to supporting documentation) are broken, and the site is clearly rabidly anti-Bush. The facts are very selectively presented (moreso than you are accusing Bill of doing) and some of the stats are red herrings. (Bay County voting stats are compared with Party affiliation, instead of previous election results; it is well-known that many southerners retain Democratic Party registration while voting for Republican candidates; that is just one example that leapt out at me.)

Three points (relevant to much on this site, not this article alone)

1. I think voter registration fraud due to registration drive mechanics vs attempts to vote falsely need to be separated out in the discussion and analysis. Otherwise, we'll be focusing on the wrong thing. Figuring out which is which is not easy, but this needs to be thought about.

2. Voter surpression is just as bad as vote fraud and much worse than voter registration fraud (which again rarely leads to vote fraud).

3. When it comes to carping about voter registration fraud being part of this or that group or party why do you think that is? Hmmm....people who don't do massive campaigns to register voters don't have any error, do they? Come on, let's take our tin foil hates off and think a bit.

What about the phony flyers and letters being sent out to confuse and scare voters? I head a small amount about this on the radio, on a station that is definitely not to the left. One of the letters sent out was telling people that the polls would be crowded and that democrats should wait until wednesday to vote. This is one more thing that drives me further away from the republican party. If they can't be honest, I want no part of them.