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« Perspective | Main | I Hate To Burst Your Bubble, But... » June 10, 2004Of Pop Ups and Pop UndersA reader and blogger emailed to ask why my blog was tossing "pop-under" ads onto his screen. I have no idea - its not my website that's doing it. He suspects Blogads, but, judging from his blog-post on the topic, he clearly doesn't know what Blogads is. Blogads serves up the ads in teh defined section of my (and others') blogs - it does not serve up pop-up or pop-under ads. If you're a techie and you can shed light on this subject, please let me know. Espeically if there is some bit of code I can add to my site's templates to blog others from serving up pop-up or pop-under ads to visitors to my blog, please let me know. Posted in Site News
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The commenter has picked up a parasite known as adware or spyware. He needs to download Ad-aware 6.0 from LAVASOFT: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/. It's free and a piece of software every Internet user should have. Posted by: Terry Heaton at June 10, 2004 09:33 AMI run adaware and spysweeper and your site gives me popups. Posted by: SayUncle at June 10, 2004 09:53 AMDoesn't make any sense. I don't get any pop-ups with this site. Never have. Perhaps Bill should contact the blogads people. Posted by: Terry Heaton at June 10, 2004 10:13 AMThat's rich. I read this on the front page, and open up the article to read the comments, and I got a pop up/under ad. I'm using Mozilla, and I have it set to not open pop ups/unders, and just this week I've started seeing sites getting around that, starting with my home town newspaper. Now I have new windows open as tabs in Mozilla, so it opened as a new tab, hence I don't know if it was a up or under pop up. The link is http://ads.addynamix.com/creative/2-2127261-13i?, for what it's worth. Posted by: Bryan Price at June 10, 2004 10:23 AMNo Popups/unders showing up for me, and none detected (thus blocked) by either PopupCop, or the popup blocker in SlimBrowser. Posted by: ***Dave at June 10, 2004 10:56 AMI'm getting a pop-up blocked noise from my pop-up blcoker when I come to the front page or return from visiting an outside link... And I run both adaware and spybot. Posted by: Ian Argent at June 10, 2004 01:05 PMI'm getting pop-under ads from your page, too, Bill. I would be annoyed except that it's clear by this blog entry that you didn't put them there on purpose. Hope you're able to identify and eliminate the source soon. Posted by: dave at June 10, 2004 01:55 PMOften, when I visit this site, my Google tool bar blocks a pop-up. Posted by: CJ at June 10, 2004 01:55 PMIt's some sort of spyware. My Dad's PC had it this past weekend. Those are the exact same ads we saw on his box. Spybot didn't take care of it, but the newest version of Adaware did. To the person that said they ran Adaware, make sure you are updated to the newest version, and then make sure you do a FULL scan of every drive on the box. It may takes hours. Posted by: Paul at June 10, 2004 02:13 PMYep, it's spyware. I ran AdAware and didn't get it, then UPDATED AdAware, ran it again, and got it. Anyone having this problem, go get the free version of AdAware at lavasoftusa.com. Install it, then before you run it, do "check for updates" so it can go get the latest reference file. Then run your scan and you should be fine. Still- that leaves us with the question: how did we get spyware that triggers a popup when we hit Bill's site? I haven't had a popup problem elsewhere, so it seems this spyware is somehow identifying with Bill's site. Odd. Posted by: dave at June 10, 2004 02:43 PMI don't think Bill's site is doing anything in particular to trigger it. My Dad has never been to Bill's site, but he is the kind of person that would click on pop ads from other sites and inadvertently install spyware. It may key off of your bookmarks, cause he was seeing it on CNN's homepage. Posted by: Paul at June 10, 2004 02:53 PMPaul- I'm not seeing these ads anywhere else, and I don't have Bill's site bookmarked- I type the URL in manually. I do think there's something on Bill's site triggering it, probably some third party code integrated into the site. My prime suspect: if not BlogAds, then that Bravenet hit counter, although I don't have anything solid to base that on. It's just a hunch. Posted by: dave at June 10, 2004 03:00 PMMany sites have blogads and hundreds of blogs use the Bravenet counter. I doubt it's those. Pop-ups may be tied to the popularity of a site, and mine has been getting a lot more traffic lately. Maybe it's crossed a threshold where the pop-up publishers think there's enough traffic here to warrant it. Posted by: Bill Hobbs at June 10, 2004 03:14 PMI run adaware regulary on both my home and work PCs, and the Google toolbar pop-up blocker on my browser at home and at work and don't get pop-ups or pop-unders when I visit billhobbs.com. The pop-up blocker doesn't even trigger the alert for blocking any. However, when I leave another site to go to billhobbs.com, by typing the URL in, I sometimes get the "alert" that shows one has been blocked. I think the fault may lie in the sites I (and others) are LEAVING when they come here - those sites may be serving up the pop-ups and pop-unders. Posted by: Bill Hobbs at June 10, 2004 03:22 PMNo popups for me with either Mozilla 1.6 or Opera 7.51. Opera - however both report javascript problems: possibly related? Posted by: DirtyDingus at June 10, 2004 03:26 PMSounds ominous. Except I don't know what it means or how to fix it. Posted by: Bill Hobbs at June 10, 2004 04:39 PMGood evening. I thought I would follow-up here. I think the chances of adware are low; as I mentioned at the post on Pop-Up Mocker, I've seen the pop-up ads from two different computers, including one in a highly secure environment where the user cannot install software at all. If it is adware, it's very selective adware; I've seen it only on the two blogs I mentioned, yours and Balloon Juice. I implied, or tried to, that I suspected it came from an external script called by your template, and when I looked at your page source, I saw the BlogAd script first, which is why I named it. I would guess it's the free BraveNet counter. Both you and Balloon Juice use the free counter, so it's another external script you share. Also, if you visit the knowledge base for the counter, you can find this insight:
The Professional Counter/Site Stats service provides these features:
That's my additional two cents worth. Posted by: Brian J. at June 10, 2004 07:51 PMAh, that's interesting. Well, then, folks will just have to install pop-up blockers - they're available free from Google and others - 'cause I don't need to upgrade Bravenet, but I like having it. Posted by: Bill Hobbs at June 10, 2004 07:57 PMAnd Brian thanks you for it; he gets more fodder for Pop-Up Mocker. There's a positive for everyone who goes looking. hln Posted by: hln at June 15, 2004 07:48 PMHello I was searching for pop ups from Bravenet and I found your site.. YES SPREAD THE WORD - BRAVENET COUNTERS CAUSE POP UPS, Heres a reply from Bravenet I got tonite about the opo ups/unders on my dot coms (using bravenet counters. From Bravenet 7.8.04: Dear Big AL (NAME EDITED), Thank you for taking the time to provide your feedback. In order to keep the services free we have had to implement both banner advertising, as well as pop-up advertising. However, the pop-ups will only appear once every four hours. If you find the popups are appearing more than that, then your browser is not accepting our cookies. Please enable cookies in your browser and this should correct the problem. If you do not know how to do this, please consult your brower help files. Also, when navigating our services make sure to use our buttons rather than your browsers back and forward buttons so that you do not get the same popups loading more than once. Although, we find this difficult to believe if the pop-ups do become very annoying, or obtrusive and you have to find an alternate service, we understand and are sorry to see you go. And that I am GONE !!! Thanks for the space Bill Have a good eve All Big AL in The BronX Bravenet's not running popups on counters anymore. Backlash was too big. it seems they (bravenet) still employ popups. at least their "premium services" still claim that by buying in, popups will be removed. besides, they killed all the good functionality from the free service; its really stripped down now. i just canceled my account with them. thanks for the space on this topic. oh, by the way, GWB is de Debil. Posted by: rob at December 19, 2004 05:09 PMPost a comment
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