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February 13, 2004

14 Questions

The Baseball Crank has an excellent post, chock full of links, boiling down many of the key issues in the Bush-AWOL debate, and then posing 14 questions for kevin Drum and others who insist on pushing the lie.

One of the amazing things about the Bush AWOL lie is how parts of it persist even though they have been disproven. For example, those pushing the lie will say Bush got into the Texas Air National Guard ahead of hundreds of other applicants on a waiting list to join the TANG, and he was "jumped ahead" of those on the waiting list because of family connections.

It's bunk. As Jon Henke notes over at the QandO blog, The Dallas Morning News looked into Bush's military record and reported that while Bush's unit in Texas indeed had a waiting list for many spots, few applicants were willing and qualified to spend more than a year in active training flying F-102 jets. Bush indicated a willingness to train full-time to fly the F-102, making him one of the few applicants able to fill one of the unit's open slots for pilots. Follow Henke's links to The Daily Howler for more details.

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Come on, guys.

They called it the "Champagne Unit" for no reason at all? It was just a random choice of words?

Governor John Connally's kid was in it by coincidence?

As was Senator Lloyd Bentson's son?

I don't like this "issue" at all, as I've repeatedly said. But to claim that Mr. Bush didn't get special treatment from the National Guard is simply preposterous.

I was alive then. I know how hard, indeed almost impossible, it was for the unconnected to wangle Guard spots in '68. Things got much, much easier by '72, as the drawdown proceeded.

You really have to try to remember how different things became, starting in late 1970. The Viet Nam war years differed dramatically from one another. It wasn't just the blur that people seem to visualize now.

His favored treatment doesn't disqualify President Bush from office, or make him unpatriotic, or anything other than what it is. We really have to strive for honesty and objectivity here, though. You are seeking to deify the man, and it just isn't so.

Posted by: Malloy at February 13, 2004 01:28 PM

No one is trying to deify the man, Malloy.(Although, from your previous posts, I would say you are trying to satanize him) This is simply a question of the truth. Bill has given evidence to refute that George Bush "jumped ahead". If you have evidence to the contrary, present it. You have failed to do so so far. Your personal judgement that it is "preposterous" is of little value to me, or, I think, anyone else here.

Posted by: Bill at February 13, 2004 06:29 PM

I was in OCS when I discovered that the battalion our OC company was in was called "The Champagne Ninth". We never found out what was champagne about our experience there. The origin of the phrase was lost.
Some wars earlier, there was a white-glove Guard outfit in NYC--Hugh Carey was a member--which had high social status (possibly horse cavalry) before WW II. It was activated and put into the 104th Infantry Division. The Timberwolves did the job with relatively few casualties (about 2000 KIA)due primarily to Gen Allen's work on night-fighting. Had they gone about their work as other outfits did, more would have been killed. Being "champagne" is nice, but it isn't much protection. At best, it means the officers' mess is better decorated than average.
So referring to a "champagne" label as if it discredits Bush's service is either a matter of surpassing ignorance or deliberate misrepresentation.
Gosh. What a choice.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at February 17, 2004 12:50 PM
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