I wonder if Bill reads the actual stories.

"I didn't see him go to work. I didn't see him come home from work," she said. "He told me that was why he was in Montgomery. There is no other reason why he would come back to Montgomery."

Yes, JadedG, I read it. There was "no other reason" he would go back to Montgomery other than to do his National Guard service.

It's the simplest, most reasonable explanation, backed up by the pay records released yesterday. You can persist in believing he was reassigned to a "disciplinary" unit in Colorado for missing drills, but the fact is the unit is NOT a "disciplinary" unit, it is the unit that holds paper work for retires and people about to leave the military, as Col. Wm. Campenni so ably explained in his letter to the editor today, refer
enced and linked to in the prior post.

Move on, JadedG, it's over. The Big Lie is being exposed by careful application of Truth. GWB served - voluntarily and honorably - completed his commitment, and got an honorable discharge. Accept it. Cope with it. Come up with some other lie to slander GWB with, because this dog won't hunt.

Frankly, Bill, you're not being truthful.

We're both partisans and neither of us can definitively claim to know the truth on this issue until Bush releases his complete service records.

The difference is that I'm willing to look at the evidence. OTOH, you seem to demand everyone believe your story absent any evidence.

JadeGold might settle for Bush's DNA on the Alabama tarmac. But then he'd bring in Barry Scheck.

Oh, come off it you moron.

We've got his pay records and service records and his Honorable Discharge and his Guard buddies and his girlfriend who saw him go to the field every morning and come home every evening and now you're saying "well, she didn't really see him serving."

Against that, you've got BGEN Turnipseed, who, as a matter of fact, insists the business about not seeing Bush was a misquote from the start.

I suppose when someone does remember him, we'll find out it could hae been an imposter. Yeah, that's the ticket: it was a specially trained Skull and Bones magical hominunculus. It was a Space Alien shape-shifter.

And you, sir, need to find a better grade of alcohol.

Charlie, you're really missing it. More than 30 years ago, stupid, inarticulate, born rich GW Bush realized that someday he would be President, and people like Terry McAuliffe and JadeGold would attempt to use the fact that he was AWOL to target him. He thus craftily (if one can use such a word for such an ignoramus) sneaked into Montgomery, rented a place for two weeks and then *deliberately* didn't go to the drills that would keep him out of trouble forever. It was so much easier and more fun *not* to go to the drills even though he was there, so dumb, evil genius that he is, Bush could *30+ years later* confuse the combined brilliance of McAuliffe, JadeGold, and company.

A brilliant tour de force of reading the future. Is it any wonder he beat AlGore, even when Bush's pititul intelligence was far outshone by Gore's massive, towering, throbbing intellect? The guy is just too devious.

Be easy on JadeGold/Guy Cabot.
He's running out of places to comment, since he keeps getting outed for his consistent lying.

Yeah, Jorg, that's it.

Pretty amazing for a semi-simian halfwit, isn't it?

What? Does this mean that W was not beamed up into a passing Klingon battle cruiser just moments before he actually set foot on base? I'm so disappointed.

I wish it really was case closed, but the people advocating this theory have long ago decided that concrete evidence is trumped by, well, just about anything that seems to make Bush look bad. A commenter on Dean Esmay's blog called this "Plastic Turkey 2.0". How true.

The new, impoved Bush AWOL rumor on Calpundit is completely free of any potentially inconvenient facts. You see, Bush's millitary records were "cleansed" by operatives eager to hide some terrible secret.

What secret? Well, that's the cool part: It could be anything! So why won't Bush answer accusations that he spent 1972 and 1973 performing Satanic cattle mutilation rituals for his CIA/KGB masters? The absence of any incriminating paperwork proves that it must be true!

The Bush-is-AWOL people must now show to us (a little evidence might be nice for a change) why Bush was in Montgomery if not for the Guard. If they fail that, game over. It's been a fun ride (not) but a waste of a week or so of campaign, not to mention a veritable winter wonderland of logical fallacies.

Is there no one left whom JG/GC disagrees with that he/she/it hasn't called a liar? The list is getting smaller by the day.

Ah, well. Over on Calpundit I suggested the real answer was that while Bush was supposed to be in Alabama, he was actually a CIA operative in Chile working on the Pinochet coup.

They took it seriously.

I'm a little afraid to suggest the Space Alien Shape Shifter theory I proposed above.

We have an address when Bush was in Texas:
2910 Westheimer Apt 4
Houston, TX 77006

What address did the president stay at when he was in Alabama. For 6 months, you should know where you stayed. He may have piad his rent with checks.

I can't remember what my address was 20 years ago, never mind 30. I moved around quite a bit at the time, didn't own property, so there was no reason at all to keep a record of it. And no reason I should have to. Maybe I failed to anticipate someday being President of the United States; damned short-sighted of me, I know.

And anyone who keeps check stubs for 30 years is just a pack-rat. I throw all mine out after 5-7 years. Ditto with pay advice. Maybe the Democrats are uniformly anal-retentive when it comes to personal history, though. Just in case there's an autobiography to write, maybe?

Slartibartfast;
Did he not have to file his new address when he went to Alabama. Where does the ANG send his paycheck or just for the record know where to contact him ( in case the country needs him). Am I to assume that he can transfered to another unit in another state without having to change address. If this was classified as a TDY , I know several service people who remember each TDY (temporay duty station) that they were assigned even after 30 years.

Slartibartfast;
Did he not have to file his new address when he went to Alabama. Where does the ANG send his paycheck or just for the record know where to contact him ( in case the country needs him). Am I to assume that he can transfered to another unit in another state without having to change address. If this was classified as a TDY , I know several service people who remember each TDY (temporay duty station) that they were assigned even after 30 years.

Slart doesn't know his address from 20, 30 years ago?

Well, he must not have a very high security clearance.

There's no question Bush has the address of every place he's ever lived; no high clearance otherwise.

Here are the questions the Bush-fellaters keep dodging:

Morons: How did GWB get into the National Guard ahead of everyone else, SWORN IN ON THE SAME DAY HE APPLIED?

Morons: How is missing six+ months of drill not AWOL?

Morons: How do the recollections of some woman Bush "used to date" (she never saw him go to work, or come back from it) have anything to do with anything? She says he "stayed" in Alabama....Well, duh...he had dozens of connections there! He was working on the dirty tricks department of some idiot Republican! Why WOULDN'T he have "stayed" in Alabama? That's the PROOF you idiots are relying on?

Pathetic. I'm beginning to think that you've got to be either stupid or a born liar to support Bush (right, Charlie?), which makes sense, one supposes.

Just Wondering

Do you have cancelled checks that are 32 years old?

Gesh.

Re filing new address.

"I don't remember whether he came or not. Our unit had about 900- 1,000 men and he could have attended many meetings without me ever knowing it," Turnipseed said this week.

As for Bush being AWOL, Turnipseed said, "No way. He was never assigned to our unit so he couldn't be AWOL. Like so many Guard and Reserve soldiers during the Vietnam War, they moved around and temporarily attended meetings with other units but Bush never left his original unit in Texas.”

Turnipseed has said all along there would be no mention of the president in the Alabama unit since Bush was paid out of Texas.

When asked about Bush’s pay record, Turnipseed said the paymaster in Alabama would note Bush attended a meeting and send the information onto Texas on what he described as an "IBM 105" card where it would be recorded and sent onto payroll in Colorado.

Bush was accused by Democrats of skipping meetings because there was no written record of him attending those meetings in October and November in Alabama.

On Tuesday, the White House released payroll records that showed the president received credit for attending meetings in October and November 1972.

The records don't indicate where he attended those meetings but he was living in Alabama at the time.

As for Turnipseed, he says the crux is that it is really difficult to remember what happened more than 30 years ago.

Jim Cummins is the NBC News Dallas Bureau Chief "

So he was never transferred. And this was not TDY. Texas gave him permission to train in Alabama, the pay information was mailed from AL to TX, then to CO, and his check was mailed to wherever he had requested it to be mailed, or deposited. Or, if he had his pay records he could go to any base with a paymaster, and be paid. Since I doubt he had a money problem, he probably went the mail route.

What is next? Was he wearing jockeys or boxers? You folks are turning into snarks.

Poker Player (aka Jim)

The reference to paying by check meant that if for 6 months you are writing checks for your rent and you don't remember that you had an address in Alabama then you must have a problem.

JadeGold,
Are you now questionning whether Bush was really in Alabama? I'm so confused. I thought the whole issue was that he didn't serve while in Alabama. Now that we know he did you're claiming he wasn't really in Alabama because he can't provide an address.

Do you realize how crazy you sound?

As far as you're concerned, JadeGuy, I have no security clearance at all. Not that it's in the least bit relevant. But, as we've seen, the bringing up of irrelevancies appears to be the entirety of your rhetorical arsenal.

Just Wondering

Are you saying that Bush doesn't remembering he was there? Come on, get serious.

I remember living in Chicago 32 years ago, but I can't remember the address.

I say again. You're just mad he didn't go on MTV and tell them which underwear type he favored.

Slart doesn't know his address from 20, 30 years ago?

Well, he must not have a very high security clearance.

I've held very high security clearances, and the forms you fill out go back 15 years, or till your 18th birthday.

You assertion is false.

It's unreasonable to expect that someone know a temporary address that he had for a few months over 30 years ago.

i understand the attraction you felt when bush landed on that aircraft carrier claiming "mission accomplished". hell, that was an utter act of bravery and he was quite strapping in the filght suit. but come on, is everybody here so intellectually dishonest that they can't admit privledged men were shuttled into the guard during vietnam to avoid or reduce their chances of seeing action? this looks like a pretty clear case of priveldge.

"Over on Calpundit I suggested the real answer was that while Bush was supposed to be in Alabama, he was actually a CIA operative in Chile working on the Pinochet coup."

like i said, intellectually dishonest. well the war is on and it's to be expected see you turkeys in november.

i understand the attraction you felt when bush landed on that aircraft carrier claiming "mission accomplished". hell, that was an utter act of bravery and he was quite a strapping manhunk in the filght suit. but come on, is everybody here so intellectually dishonest that they can't admit privledged men were shuttled into the guard during vietnam to avoid or reduce their chances of seeing action? this looks like a pretty clear case of priveldge.

"Over on Calpundit I suggested the real answer was that while Bush was supposed to be in Alabama, he was actually a CIA operative in Chile working on the Pinochet coup."

like i said, intellectually dishonest. well the war is on and it's to be expected. see you turkey faces in november.

Re "Bush": yes, morons. The stuff you're citing has been refuted with documentation multiple times. Didn't read it? Moron. Did see it, but you keep asserting the opposite? Liar.

Moron or liar, you choose.

Re: "raving lefty". No, not intellectually dishonest, just insufficiently aware of the degree of credulity of which the Calpundit commenters are capable. For the record, I wrote something like "I know, I've got it, Bush was really a CIA operative in Chile.... Hell, his Dad was DCI, it's about the right time, that must be it."

I was, I thought, making obvious, glaring, sport of the level of conspiracy theory they were proposing.

Clearly, it wasn't glaring enough for you morons.

"privledged men were shuttled into the guard during vietnam to avoid or reduce their chances of seeing action?"

Like columnist Cohen?